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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote
It's not a fight between people - it's a fight between political convictions.

Unfettered by the moderates - Jeremy might go in to bat next time on a real Marxist manifesto. Do you think that he can win from the Far Left - one last push - or does he need a moderating wing with him?

That is the question.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Except for any extraordinary or unforeseen situation Corby should stick with the current shadow cabinet as Brian suggests although I would like to see more from those who appear to be overshadowed (excuse the pun) by Thornberry and McDonnell in particular. Could anyone in the wider public name anyone else apart from Starmer? But ultimately it is down to policy what does social democracy in 2017 mean and how can austerity be reversed without increasing the deficit let alone overall debt?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
We have the answer. Corbyn has announced his shadow cabinet.

https://www.theguardian.com/polit...e-owen-smith-joins-shadow-cabinet

Only Corbynistas with the surprise addition of Owen Smith to cover his NI flank which is obviously compromised.

He has drawn the battle lines. He intends to go all the way purely from the left.

So the question -
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how can austerity be reversed without increasing the deficit let alone overall debt?
is redundant. It can't and he doesn't care.

I have written to Ann Black - our representative on the NEC and asked as Jeremy has put the party of a war footing for a GE if the members in the Branches can choose their own candidates in advance - now - and she says she is arguing strongly for this. I don't want an anti Corbyn candidate here again.

The NEC and conference will be critical in the trench warfare. The old guard are going to look a little diminished roaming the TV studios.

But I still doubt if Jeremy can go all the way and win from the left. I don't have Brian's faith. But Jeremy has faith - and he doesn't know how to do anything else.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I can envisage Corbyn winning an election although that is far from guaranteed. It is being a success in government and winning the next one that I have difficulty in imagining. Faith is about the suspension of reason and It does not appeal to me in the slightest! If you don't want an anti-Corbyn candidate does it follow that you will end up with a Corbynista or are there any non aligned available?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
No idea. We didn't have a branch selection process so we don't know who the candidates might have been.

The last two elections we have had someone from the board of the Labour Jewish Association. This time we got the chair. Some of the Jewish community here that makes up a third of the electorate have trouble accepting Corbyn and talk a lot about anti semitism.

The politics are confused. I expect people think an open competition will fan the flames of dispute and raise the profile of anti semitism.

My thought is that these things are better in the open and openly discussed. We have time now to run an open selection.

But I can see how it might draw attention to disputes.

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